1 Kings 22
Micaiah Prophesies Against Ahab
8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat,
"There is still one man through whom we can inquire of the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah."
yes ... in the religious world... what ever training or lack of training determines your scripture point of view.\
as alvin glombowski and i have discussed.. in 1869.. it became LAW that infalibility was required... prior to that.. it was left up to the personal discretion of the "holy Ghost"
The roman catholic church teaches that : YOU get the Holy Spirit when they sprinkle water on your 4-head as a "baby baptism"..
Hmmm is this true.. it would seem that if the 3rd identy of the God head .. would manafest ..it would be noticeable..
it is noticeable in the Penecostial church's when there is a manafestation..Hmmm what = does that tell u ???
in the summer of 1969
alvin G, and Maureen barledge and i, went thru the Charasmetic "liffe in the word" 6 week seminar .. and as AL says.. ( and he was right.. "nothing happened" darn)
this 2 year time period.. maureen barledge and i went to the "month end sales" in detroit.. and she taught me how to get the upper hand.. "smile , grinn, and shake those big tit's ..
it got her.. better deal, with this method.. and Alvin G.. got frustrated at all the stuff she brought home..
as he said.. she had "every nook and cranny" full of stuff .. he didn't need!
she was training me in the art of business and deceite..
(not like i was trained at the company thermotron)..
but she did entice me to invest in buying , gold and silver, so i bought (2,000), 2two thousand dollars worth.. ..
she decided to "covet your neighbors goods",
so she robbed me and stole, my gold and silver.. then slandered me behind my back..
it's Ok though.. she may have said...."5 hail maries" and 2 our fathers"
it apperars to be the "EVE" sin.. what ever u do is "right", and the man goes along with it.
So, U are right.. about maureen barledge ..
she is a business woman", and alvin glombowski.. told me after she robbed me..
that he would "never go in business with her".. at that time .. she wanted to open up a store in Jackson MI.. selling religious items.. raman catholic stuff.
Alvin thought she would "screw every one.. " and didn't want the hassle..
actually maureen barledge has bad character..
and even her son and daughter in law.. Nelda.. were Wary... of having any dealings.. with her...
and her brother .. Frank barledge.. was a thief.. and robbed the household.. of every thing he could get.. (he also got arrested for "cock-sucking)per al..
when the "old Man Barledge" died,, (who ever got there first .. got it all).. and when he died.. maureen barledge .. got it back... Ha ha ..
as alvin said.. now we have to go thru all this "junk"
any way...
any way...maureen and i pal''ed around like this until i graduated from my second community college.. and headed up to kalamazoo michigan to WMU..
and there.. i met thru.. another .. REV. LOUIS MILLER.. from benton harbor ..
and his SPIRITUALIST church..
i introducesd Alvin glombowski.. and maureen .. to him.. and
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE!!
because off the lack of training and teaching in the roman catholic church..
what do i mean?... there were familar spirits.. that.. were there..
just like in Mejorgorie.. with the mary spirit there..
Some Roman Catholic Priest ,pope , bishop.. needs to appolize .. to all the people that went their to see the "mary familar spirit"
and should be taught that they were deceived... by pope john-paul 2..
with his .. silent approvial.. of that spirit.. manafestation..
it is interesting the different lies that roman catholics.. are taught to believe..
the infallibility issue ... is weather (spelling) the pope is functioning as a prophet..?
or can the people determine spiritual things.. or manafestaions ?
this is why... Jesus / the holy ghost.. sent me to study and be trained.. at about 5 different christian colleges.. over a 6 year period..
after i spent 12 hours a day at one program.. for 7 weeks.. i thought that would be enough..
but this followed up with 5 years in full time minestry..
as i told alvin glombowski.. "if he had some idea how to mentor or educatite some one.. it might have made a difference"
but one has to only looke at his immidiate family.. and recognize.. what dosen't work..
He said .. "if he can onlyget maureen barledge.. away from "OLD man Barledge" but that didn't work..
because it really takes the "Holy Spirit of YAwah.. " that jesus send he would send to change bad character.
Avoid Wicked Customs
Deuteronomy 18
9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you.
13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.
this applies for all those deceived roman catholics who pray to saint's (familar spirits) and the virgine MARY .. demon..
Deuteronomy 13
Punishment of Apostates
1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,
’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams,
for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk.
So you shall put away the evil from your midst.
unless it is approved by the roman catholic church.. Hmmmm
Hilkiah Finds the Book of the Law
2 Chronicles 34 (New King James Version)
8 In the eighteenth year of his reign, when he had purged the land and the temple,[b] he sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, Maaseiah the governor of the city, and Joah the son of Joahaz the recorder, to repair the house of the LORD his God.
14 Now when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found the Book of the Law of the LORD given by Moses.
15 Then Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, “I have found the Book of the Law in the house of the LORD.” And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan
. 16 So Shaphan carried the book to the king, bringing the king word, saying, “All that was committed to your servants they are doing.
17 And they have gathered the money that was found in the house of the LORD, and have delivered it into the hand of the overseers and the workmen.”
18 Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, “Hilkiah the priest has given me a book.” And Shaphan read it before the king.
19 Thus it happened, when the king heard the words of the Law, that he tore his clothes.
20 Then the king commanded Hilkiah, Ahikam the son of Shaphan, Abdon[c] the son of Micah, Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah a servant of the king, saying,
21 “Go, inquire of the LORD for me, and for those who are left in Israel and Judah, concerning the words of the book that is found; for great is the wrath of the LORD that is poured out on us,
because our fathers have not kept the word of the LORD, to do according to all that is written in this book.”
Hosea 4
God’s Charge Against Israel
5 Therefore you shall stumble in the day;
The prophet also shall stumble with you in the night;
And I will destroy your mother.
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
Discretion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the criminal justice system, police, prosecutors, judges, and the jury are often able to exercise a degree of discretion in deciding who will be subject ...
But ... that aside....
pat.. how often has Jesus or the saints .. appeared to u to give you instruction ?
Web definitions for instruction
direction: a message describing how something is to be done; "he gave directions faster than she could follow them"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn - Definition in context
John 10
The Shepherd and His Flock
19 At these words the Jews were again divided. 20Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad.
Why listen to him?"
21 But others said, "These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon.
Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"
25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe.
The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
hello pat.. can u tell me what are the healing manafestations that jesus/holy ghost instructed you to perform?
How has the roman catholic church.. taught u to be a deciple of scripture and Jesus??
and what are the 3 most interesting .. prophetics .. event.. that you spoke .. at his instruction?
Acts 1
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;
and you will be my witnesses
in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
25 "All this I have spoken while still with you.
26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Numbers 11; Numbers 29 (New King James Version)
27 And a young man ran and told Moses, and said,
“Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”
28 So Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, one of his choice men, answered and said, “Moses my lord, forbid them!”
29 Then Moses said to him, “Are you zealous for my sake?
Oh, that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!”
30 And Moses returned to the camp, he and the elders of Israel.
John 16
1 "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.
2 They will put you out of the synagogue;
in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you
will think he is offering a service to God.
ya the catholic church.. will hunt u down.. as hersity..and KILL YOU
3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.
4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you.
I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.
The Work of the Holy Spirit
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Patrick Miron
Friends here is another very brief discussion, that is quite visible today.
FROM CAF...
[QUOTE] =una fides;5176343]I agree that Vatican II requires religious submission. It was a pastoral council dealing with pastoral issues. It did contain a dogmatic constitution that did not have any definitive definitions but was just a summary of Church teachings.
I'm NOT saying Vatican II was not infallible and therefore can be ignored or disobeyed.
But what I am saying is that I do not believe it to be completely safeguarded against error.
I am saying that because the wording is often vague and difficult to understand, as I've pointed out on here earlier.
As with approaching Scripture, if I can't understand how to verses may seem to correlate, then I seek to find an answer.
In a similar way, I'm trying to reconcile pre and post Vatican II teachings on the matter of NSOC. So far, no one on here has provided me with an answer to how to understand the pre-Vatican II documents in the same sense that they had always been understood and then taking that understanding then applying it to the CCC passage and other such writings in question.[/QUOTE]
Dear friends in Christ,
[B]Perhaps what is being overlooked here is the fact that it is NOT ONLY "Infallible Teachings" that must be accepted, OBEYRD and lived, all though some would have us believe such dribble.
The Code of Canon Law is the long held position of the Catholic Church on this isssue. It is exceedingly clear and to the point.[/B]
Can. 749 §1. By virtue of his office, the Supreme Pontiff possesses infallibility in teaching when as the supreme pastor and teacher of all the Christian faithful, who strengthens his brothers and sisters in the faith, he proclaims by definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held.
§2. The college of bishops also possesses infallibility in teaching when the bishops gathered together in an ecumenical council exercise the magisterium as teachers and judges of faith and morals who declare for the universal Church that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held definitively; or when dispersed throughout the world but preserving the bond of communion among themselves and [B][U]with the successor of Peter and teaching authentically together with the Roman Pontiff matters of faith or morals, they agree that a particular proposition is to be held definitively.[/U][/B]
[U]§3. No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident.[/U]
[B][SIZE="3"]Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.[/SIZE][/B]
[COLOR="Blue"]§2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church [U][B]concerning the doctrine of faith and morals,[/B][/U] that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith,
[U][B]is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained;[/B][/U] therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.[/COLOR]
[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]
Can. 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares[U] concerning faith or morals[/U] when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act; therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it.[/COLOR][/B]
Can. 753 Although the bishops who are in communion with the head and members of the college, whether individually or joined together in conferences of bishops or in particular councils, do not possess infallibility in teaching, they are authentic teachers and instructors of the faith for the Christian faithful entrusted to their care; [U][B]the Christian faithful are bound to adhere with religious submission of mind to the authentic magisterium of their bishops.
[/B][/U]
[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"]Can. 754 All the Christian faithful are obliged to observe the constitutions and decrees which the legitimate authority of the Church issues in order to propose doctrine and to proscribe erroneous opinions, particularly those which the Roman Pontiff or the college of bishops puts forth.[/[/SIZE]COLOR]
Does this clarify for you the debate at hand? God willing, it should.
Love and prayers,
Pat
Love and prayers,
Pat
Ya sure pat... with the roman catholic church..
it is as clear as "MUD"
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