He moves in major miracles continuously and wants to teach you.

Sid: As a new Jewish believer, I met Katherine Kuhlman. She had more miracles than anyone I
had ever seen. But she had a secret. It was her relationship with the Holy Spirit.


My next guest
has the same intimacy. He moves in major miracles continuously and wants to teach you. Next on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after
death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has
the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of
the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Well my guest,
Jim Hockaday, I've been waiting for him and I'm going to tell you why, because when I said I
had been waiting for him I'm reminded of someone I met by the name of Katherine Kuhlman.
Katherine Kuhlman had the most outrageous, the most number, the most wonderful miracles of
just about anyone I had ever seen, and her key, if you will, was she was in love with God. She
had such intimacy with the Holy Spirit. I remember she used to say, "Please don't grieve the
Holy Spirit. He's all that I have." And then after the Katherine Kuhlman era we moved into
what's known as the Word period where people overdosed on the Word. First, they overdosed on
intimacy with God then they overdosed on the Word, and God demonstrated Himself strong by
standing on the Word. God demonstrated Himself strong by having an emphasis of intimacy with
God. But what would happen, Jim Hockaday, if we could put both of those together? It's got to
be an End Time dynamite of the Holy Spirit.
Jim: That's exactly what we're walking into, that day, where they balance out each other. And
the Holy Spirit gives such revelation to the Word, but the Word is just as much fellowship with
God and it confirms what the Holy Spirit is doing in your life. So there is a balance, and that's
exactly how I've endeavored to pattern my life.
Sid: Jim had quite a training. I believe you didn't have much to do with it. I believe that God
directed you. He directed him to be a singer for the Rhema Singers and in order to be a singer
there was a requirement. You had to go to school there. But you got to know Kenneth Hagan
very well.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: And I believe that his greatest desire is for someone like you and many of the others that he
trained to stand on his shoulders and take the revelation he had and take it even further. But if I
was to force you to tell me one thing you learned from Kenneth Hagan, who's in Heaven right
now, what would that be?
Jim: Well let me back up to say that so many would say Kenneth Hagan had an amazing love
walk, and he did. He had an amazing faith walk and he did. But the one thing that stands out to
me is he knew God. There was such a deep intimacy with the Holy Spirit and it wasn't something
that was in the platform alone. This is how he walked with God on a regular basis. And that
doesn't mean that he didn't have fun, because he was quite an individual, and we certainly had 2
many opportunities to have a lot of fun being in the group and times after the services. He might
be the first one to throw a spit wad at you or a rubber bands.
Sid: But now that wasn't your legacy. Your legacy was modeling yourself after a man that
walked the love walk.
Jim: Absolutely, absolutely. And this is why it's interesting to see his natural side, but to see that
he incorporated his knowledge of God through all of it.
Sid: Now when you started in the healing school I understand Jim didn't see many people healed.
That's got to be very frustrating. People come all over the world to sit in this healing school and
they've heard about Kenneth Hagan, and you must have felt awful.
Jim: For the first three months it was a terrible feeling because I knew that it was right for me to
be there and God directed me, as you said. We saw a lot of people die, and of course, you can't
advertise that. So you know, it was a deciding moment for myself. Lord, something has to
change. And just to say typically, you know, we'd always say well, you know, God wasn't
moving or the people weren't in faith. But I went to the Lord and said, "I'm the problem."
Sid: People normally aren't that honest, are they?
Jim: I don't think so. But that's where you begin with God to have a revelation for yourself. And
when I became honest like that I said, Lord, this is what I'm supposed to do, but I know I'm the
problem so teach me. And when He began to teach me and took me right to covenant to do so
and to begin with the blood covenant immediately, the miraculous began to happen
Sid: Something about the blood that releases the miraculous of God.
Jim: And it was the blood that gave me the boldness to know that God would back me up, and
that's when things began to happen right in the services, sometimes without even a laying on of
hands.
Sid: You know, when I started getting your teaching something amazing happened to me. And
the thing that was so amazing is I believe that there is an impartation of supernatural boldness in
the way that you pray for people.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: I was at my home congregation. I had a word of knowledge. I said someone's neck is healed
and I had just heard your teaching, which we'll get into in the next segment. I said to this woman,
"The minute my hand touches your forehead the pain will be gone." And so I said that to her and
then I'm thinking, what happens if she's not healed? But before I could even get that thought out I
put my hand on her head and, praise God, she was healed. I couldn't believe I said that. But
because of what you teach I jumped into that arena. Does that make sense to you?
Jim: Oh it was a process through so many experiences just exactly as you mentioned.3
Sid: Hold that thought. I want you to tell me about the woman you sent to run water and a tumor.
Don't go away. You'll be shocked by this.
We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.
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Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jim Hockaday and we are just inhaling the rarified air of Heaven.
But I learned something from studying what Jim taught on, and I just explained to me. It's sort of
an outrageous supernatural boldness. But you had to share some of these stories. Tell me about
the woman with the tumor.
Jim: It was an interesting story. It was in a classroom where Kenneth Hagan would speak and he
asked me to do his class. And on purpose just to kind of stir some things up I called this woman
forward and she had, I didn't know it, but she had a tumor in her chest the size of a grapefruit. So
without laying hands on her at all, I just said, "Go right now to the restroom. Take another lady
with you." I said, "Put some water on it and watch it disappear."
Sid: Stop. I have to ask the question for myself and for you, too. When you said that to her, did
you hear in your spirit you were supposed to say that to her? What was going on inside of you?
Jim: You know, there have been times when I have heard a direct word from the Lord, say this.
But in this case, no not at all.
Sid: That's what I thought when I heard that story.
Jim: Not at all. I just challenged to go beyond myself. Put myself out there on God.
Sid: Okay. What did you say to her?
Jim: I told her to go to the restroom, take someone with her, and just sprinkle some water on that
area and watch it disappear.
Sid: So she did that.
Jim: No. We didn't even have to ask her the question. She came running through the doors,
shouting and screaming and running all the way up to the front the whole way up. You didn't
have to ask her what happened. But we did of course, and it disappeared right there in front of
her.
Sid: Okay. I have to ask the question. You do this, I assume, often. Have you done it where
someone has come back and they said, "Nothing happened."
Jim: We had one lady, it was very, very interesting, one lady that I sent out and I told her, I said,
"Now go up to the restroom and come back." She came back. She said, "It's half the size." I said,
"Alright." I said, "You won't go out two more times without it being gone." And this particular 4
lady came back. Now each time she came back, and I told her when to go, it had become very
hot a second time. And the third time she came back, but instead of coming up to the front to be
excited about telling me she stood in the back and I knew that she was gonna tell me it hadn't
disappeared. So I made a big to-do. I said, "Oh there's our miracle lady right in the back. Come
on up and give us our testimony" And she said, "Well it's still hot, but it's still there." And I was
teaching on the boldness of faith. So I walked right off the platform, walked right up to her nose
and said, "I'm sorry, but I don't believe you. I said it would leave." She said, "Well what am I
gonna say? It's still there." I said, "But I said it would leave." She said, "It's still there." And I
said real loud, "But I said it would leave!" And she looked at me kind of frustrated and she said,
"Well then okay" and left. And it disappeared.
Sid: Come on now, between you and me, don't you ever thing to yourself, what if I said, I said it
doesn't disappear. Don't you ever think about that?
Jim: Well again, absolutely you do. And your statement about the mind and the mind boggling
that you go through. But again, I'm talking about letting the Lord begin to teach me and train me.
The first time it was the Spirit of God that just so loudly in my heart said, "Say this," and I did.
So I'm letting Him teach me to the point where now I'm starting to think like Him.
Sid: You're even hearing things in dreams about your family. Give me one example.
Jim: Well one example was about my girls. Two days in a row I had a dream about my oldest
girl. She's a great girl, wonderful. And when the Lord gives me a dream about my family so far
what it's been is something out in the future. In other words, let's stop this now or make some
corrections so this doesn't happen. And so the Lord just shared with me that just begin to study
her and watch her. And I began to see certain patterns and I thought, you know, I want to begin
to teach her how can we do it. And out of that time we now have about 15 to 20 youth that come
to our house and we teach them in a Bible study, and my girls are just doing great. It's wonderful.
So dreams are starting to become a regularity.
Sid: Well you know what's so wonderful, it's not just for healing. It's for all life. God is
concerned about every aspect of your life. Now when you were a young man and you didn't
understand what you understand today you developed a disease that you should have died from.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Jim: Well the disease is called Crohn's disease, which 30 years ago wasn't as prominent as
people have accepted it today. And it's in the intestine. There's quite a battle with your body
fighting against itself, autoimmune disease. At any rate, yeah, I had some serious problems, a big
abscess in my belly and it was even during those days not understanding healing the Lord caused
that tumor supernaturally to begin to come out of my body. So I had some surgery and was doing
really well. But six years ago I had a major attack on my life.5
Sid: What affect does it have? Someone that is not just teaching healing, but bold. I mean, you
are in the category of bold for healing and you have, this comes back, you have to have the
memories of what happened when you were younger. You're now in ministry. What do you do?
Do you keep quiet about it? Do you not let anyone know this is going on? Do you drop out of
ministry? What do you do when this happens?
Jim: Well first of all, it was pretty obvious what was going on, because as my weight is about
consistent, as it was then 170 pounds, I went down to close to 125 pounds.
Sid: So did you drop out of ministry?
Jim: Well I cancelled a few meetings initially, but then no. In fact, one of the greatest
experiences I had in healing came with a six-day meeting, two days where I actually went at 125
pounds. Showed up and the pastor just kind of looked at me and asked what happened, and I told
him I'm here to preach. He said, "I'll take the services for you." I said, "Not unless you want to
send me home in a six-foot pine box." I said, "You let me preach."
Jim [video]: And the Word of God, he will heal you. Eat what you want. Go to sleep."
Jim: And I did, and as I did the stronger and stronger I became, and my body became completely
well. I gained over 38 pounds in that one week.
Sid: When you come back I'm gonna have a man that is as bold as anyone I've ever met in
believing God's Word out of intimacy with God and revelation of God's Word, from this
intimacy, pray for you. Don't go away. We'll be right back.
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Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jim Hockaday. And Jim, when people sit under your teaching, yes
they healed, but better than that they have the faith level to then pray for other people. Tell me
about that medical doctor.
Jim: Well he's a wonderful man. And back in what we might call the charismatic renewal time
where the Spirit of God was really ministering in a lot of denominational churches he had a
practice, a really successful practice in Tulsa. And he prayed for people left and right, and he had
all kinds of healings take place in his office. And then through a period of getting more word
conscious and leaving out the Holy Ghost—
Sid: That's happening to a lot of people.
Jim: Yeah, it does. It does and that's where we want to bring the balance back.
Sid: It's kind of easy to get into formula rather than relationship. So he fell into that trap.6
Jim: He did.
Sid: And the healings diminished.
Jim: It did. It actually did completely.
Sid: Completely.
Jim: Yes. And he didn't see anyone healed, as he would pray for them instantly because he was
in a sense kind of talking himself out of it. And when he came to the healing school and he began
to get into some of our teaching, which we always really empower the people to believe in the
Anointing that abides in you, not just me the minister, but what abides in you. It wasn't long
before it just began to happen supernaturally again, how the miracles began to take place, people
we prayed for where then instantly healed as well, and of course recovered as he prayed for them
as well.
Man on video: I can see! Thank you God.
Jim: But that to me stands out as a story, and if that was the only isolated case I probably
wouldn't mention it. But I can tell you story after story, after story of the same situation.
Sid: But what I want you to tell the people, I want you to mentor them in having intimacy with
God. Would you do that?
Jim: Yeah, absolutely. It's just so awesome to know that God has come to live in this flesh of
ours. Now He's there, not for the purpose of just walking around as you walk, He's there for the
purpose of being revealed. That's the one amazing thing about human beings, that we have the
capacity to receive God into our life, but also to reveal him. Jesus showed us that of a mono
transfiguration of what was in him supernaturally became evident to those around. Now when
you begin to pray in the Spirit and develop a prayer life and begin to put your emphasis on his
presence being with you and around you at all times, the greater you recognize him in your life,
the easier it will be to see the supernatural take place. And that comes through spending time
praying in the Holy Ghost, and then letting the Word of God become your foundation for the
miracles you will see. And this is exactly what we do, begin to get people excited about the Spirit
of God. So even right now, I know, I want to just speak to someone that God is speaking to you
right now, that there's someone with some type of high-end hernia and that's being healed. And I
also want to say there's someone that didn't develop in your diaphragm, but the Lord Jesus is
healing you right now, and I know the Spirit of God is moving through the airways to touch your
life and bring deliverance. And in a few moment's we're going to pray for many things in general
and you watch. God will touch you and heal you through the same presence.
Sid: Tell me, because I think it's a fascinating story. I think it might have been in Brazil that
someone had polio.
Jim: A little boy had polio and he was sitting in the very front seat right next to the pastor's wife,
and as I prayed for him, and I didn't pray for him by touching him, there were too many people.
The main platform where we would have prayed for the folks was covered with individuals. 7
There were 9000 people in the room. And I just looked at him and prayed for that little boy, and
that leg that was all twisted up, it shot straight out. Now after the service—
Sid: Even though you've seen a lot of miracles, that has to do something to you.
Jim: Especially a young boy.
Sid: Yes.
Jim: And there was another young boy that came up that was deaf and mute, and we prayed for
him, and instantly he began to speak and hear.
Jim [video]: You see that? He was deaf and now he can hear. Praise God!
Jim: Well the pastor's wife came up to us afterwards and said, "When you commanded that boy
to be healed my eyes were opened and I saw a large angel walk up to that boy, grab his leg and
jerk it straight out."
Jim [video]: Look at that. You see that? You see that? God works. God works. I'm telling you.
Now he can walk.
Sid: I wonder if the healing angel does not accompany you when you pray.
Jim: Well just within the last week, a man came up to me and said, "While you were praying for
the people I saw an amazingly large angel that stood right behind you." And that I guess happens
almost everywhere we go.
Sid: Would you pray for people right now.
Jim: Absolutely. And they'll be healed, too.
Sid: They're getting bold again. Good for you.
Jim: Well just put your hand with your difficulty is. And I know for sure right here there will be
testimonies about cancer that dies. So put your hand right where the problem has been. In the
wonderful precious name of Jesus, because of the goodness of God and the finished work of
Christ, I command disease to begin to dissolve right now. We demand that it die and dissolve,
disappear and leave your life. I just speak to the heart and command it to begin to beat like it
should and to blood that it begin to flow like it should, to bones, and to muscle, and to tissue, for
pain to leave all of those areas. For internal diseases, we command to depart in the name of
Jesus. And especially cancer, I demand that you die and leave those people. Even growths will
disappear. I know that God's healing you right now and all you got to do is just lift up your hands
and rejoice because He's giving you something right now supernatural. You'll see it evident in
your life in Jesus' name. Amen.
Sid: As you were praying I could feel it was almost like a river was going out and the thing that I
love about you is your greatest desire is not to be known as the person that prays for miracles, 8
but the person that equips other people to pray for miracles. Give me one nugget that you've
learned over the years that will help us in praying for the sick.
Jim: If you needed a coffee and I had five dollars in my wallet, I could buy you a coffee.
Sid: Of course.
Jim: If you needed a coffee and I only had a dollar now days there are a lot more than it used to
be. Then I'd have to say, well I can help you but I can't give you. If you don't know what you
have you can't give it away. If you don't believe it's enough you'll never be bold enough to say, I
have the answer for you. Peter and John went to the temple at the hour of prayer and they said,
"Such as I have I give you." They were conscious that they had what was necessary to get the job
done. That's what Jesus left upon their soul, is an understanding that freely you've received what
I have and what I've worked. Now freely give it away.
Sid: Yeah, but that was Peter and John.
Jim: It doesn't make any difference. Now it's even greater. Now when you understand you have
something to give that's where the boldness comes and that's where the Anointing is released.
People lay hands on folks all the time, and you'll just wear the hair of off people's head if you
don't release the Anointing. That's what we're teaching people, to turn the Anointing loose.
Sid: And you know, releasing the Anointing, turning that Anointing loose, as Jim explained, it's
for his family. It's for your finances. It's for your health. It's for your peace. It's for supernatural
protection. It's for anything that can happen to you in this life. You can't turn that anointing loose
unless you know the person that's anointed you, and his name in Hebrew, Yeshua. In English,
Jesus. And he gave us such a marvelous gift. It's not based on any of our works. There's nothing
we can do for it. We just receive his mercy. He's paid the penalty for us. His blood washes away
our sins. If we repent of our sins and believe that his blood washed it away and makes us clean.
He goes a step further. He says he even makes us righteous. We have the righteousness of God in
Messiah Jesus. Then you ask him to live inside of you and what Jim is saying is happening in his
life. And what Jim was saying is happening in that doctor's life. And what Jim is saying is
happening in anyone's life is all based on having Jesus live inside of you and realize the great
awesome power of God. The Creator of the universe is living in you