what ever training or lack of training determines your scripture point of view

what ever training or lack of training determines your scripture point of view.

yes ... in the religious world... what ever training or lack of training determines your scripture point of view.\


as alvin glombowski and i have discussed.. in 1869.. it became LAW that infalibility was required... prior to that.. it was left up to the discretion of the "holy Ghost"

The roman catholic church teaches that : YOU get the Holy Spirit when they sprinkle water on your 4-head as a "baby baptism"..

Hmmm is this true.. it would seem that if the 3rd identy of the God head .. would manafest ..it would be noticeable..

it is noticeable in the Penecostial church's when there is a manafestation..Hmmm what = does that tell u ???



in the summer of 1969 alvin G, and Maureen barledge and i, went thru the Charasmetic "liffe in the word" 6 week seminar .. and as AL says.. ( and he was right.. "nothing happened" darn)

this 2 year time period.. maureen barledge and i went to the "month end sales" in detroit.. and she taught me how to get the upper hand.. "smile , grinn, and shake those big tit's ..

it got her.. better deal, with this method.. and Alvin G.. got frustrated at all the stuff she brought home..

as he said.. she had "every nook and cranny" full of stuff .. he didn't need!

she was training me in the art of business and deceite.. (not like i was trained at the company thermotron)

any way...maureen and i pal''ed around like this until i graduated from my second community college.. and headed up to kalamazoo michigan to WMU..

and there.. i met thru.. another .. REV. LOUIS MILLER.. from benton harbor ..
and his SPIRITUALIST church..

i introducesd Alvin glombowski.. and maureen .. to him.. and

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE!!

because off the lack of training and teaching in the roman catholic church..


But at least .. when the familar spirits showed up.. it was evident..

not like the lack .. off spiritual training with the class of "Life in the Spirit" that was offered by the roman catholic church..

and 30 years later i went to ST margrets of scotland in st clair shores..

and it was worse... now... a tired out charasmetic .. group..

Gee. where is the Holy Spirit??

but the Roman catholic church... has DOCTRUNE !!!

AND WE BELIEVE IT... OR .. YOU ARE EX-COMMUNITED...!!!


Avoid Wicked Customs

Deuteronomy 18

9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,

11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.

12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you.

13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.

14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.


this applies for all those deceived roman catholics who pray to saint's (familar spirits) and the virgine MARY .. demon..



Deuteronomy 13

Punishment of Apostates

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,

2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,
’

3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams,

for the LORD your God is testing you

to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and

keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.

5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God,

who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage,

to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk.

So you shall put away the evil from your midst.

unless it is approved by the roman catholic church.. Hmmmm


Hilkiah Finds the Book of the Law

2 Chronicles 34 (New King James Version)

8 In the eighteenth year of his reign, when he had purged the land and the temple,[b] he sent Shaphan the son of Azaliah, Maaseiah the governor of the city, and Joah the son of Joahaz the recorder, to repair the house of the LORD his God.


14 Now when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found the Book of the Law of the LORD given by Moses.

15 Then Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, “I have found the Book of the Law in the house of the LORD.” And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan

. 16 So Shaphan carried the book to the king, bringing the king word, saying, “All that was committed to your servants they are doing.

17 And they have gathered the money that was found in the house of the LORD, and have delivered it into the hand of the overseers and the workmen.”

18 Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, “Hilkiah the priest has given me a book.”

And Shaphan read it before the king.

19 Thus it happened,

when the king heard the words of the Law, that he tore his clothes.

20 Then the king commanded Hilkiah, Ahikam the son of Shaphan, Abdon[c] the son of Micah, Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah a servant of the king, saying,




21 “Go, inquire of the LORD for me, and for those who are left in Israel and Judah,

concerning the words of the book that is found; for great is the wrath of the LORD that is poured out on us,

because our fathers have not kept the word of the LORD, to do according to all that is written in this book.”


Hosea 4

God’s Charge Against Israel

5 Therefore you shall stumble in the day;

The prophet also shall stumble with you in the night;

And I will destroy your mother.

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Because you have rejected knowledge,

I also will reject you from being priest for Me;

Because you have forgotten the law of your God,


Discretion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the criminal justice system, police, prosecutors, judges, and the jury are often able to exercise a degree of discretion in deciding who will be subject ...

But ... that aside....

pat.. how often has Jesus or the saints .. appeared to u to give you instruction ?

Web definitions for instruction

direction: a message describing how something is to be done; "he gave directions faster than she could follow them" wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn - Definition in context


John 10

The Shepherd and His Flock

19At these words the Jews were again divided.

20Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

21But others said, "These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

hello pat..

can u tell me what are the healing manafestations that jesus/holy ghost instructed you to perform?

and what are the 3 most interesting .. prophetics .. event.. that you spoke .. at his instruction?

Acts 1
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven

7 He said to them:

"It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses

in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

25"All this I have spoken while still with you.

26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Numbers 11; Numbers 29 (New King James Version)

27 And a young man ran and told Moses, and said, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”

28 So Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, one of his choice men, answered and said,

“Moses my lord, forbid them!”

29 Then Moses said to him,

“Are you zealous for my sake?

Oh, that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!”

30 And Moses returned to the camp, he and the elders of Israel.



John 16

1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.

2They will put you out of the synagogue;

in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.

3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.

4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.



ok... pat ... have your say>........................








The Work of the Holy Spirit


On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Patrick Miron wrote:


Friends here is another very brief discussion, that is quite visible today.

FROM CAF... [QUOTE] =una fides;5176343]

I agree that Vatican II requires religious submission.

It was a pastoral council dealing with pastoral issues.

It did contain a dogmatic constitution that did not have any definitive definitions but was just a summary of Church teachings.

I'm NOT saying Vatican II was not infallible and therefore can be ignored or disobeyed.

But what I am saying is that I do not believe it to be completely safeguarded against error.

I am saying that because the wording is often vague and difficult to understand, as I've pointed out on here earlier.

As with approaching Scripture, if I can't understand how to verses may seem to correlate, then I seek to find an answer.

In a similar way, I'm trying to reconcile pre and post Vatican II teachings on the matter of NSOC.

So far, no one on here has provided me with an answer to how to understand the pre-Vatican II documents in the same sense that they had always been understood and then taking that understanding then applying it to the CCC passage and other such writings in question.

[/QUOTE]Dear friends in Christ,[B]

Perhaps what is being overlooked here is the fact that it is NOT ONLY "Infallible Teachings" that must be accepted, OBEYRD and lived, all though some would have us believe such dribble.

The Code of Canon Law is the long held position of the Catholic Church on this isssue.

It is exceedingly clear and to the point. as clear as mud

[/B]Can. 749 §1.

By virtue of his office, the Supreme Pontiff possesses infallibility in teaching when as the supreme pastor and teacher of all the Christian faithful, who strengthens his brothers and sisters in the faith, he proclaims by definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held.§2.

The college of bishops also possesses infallibility in teaching when the bishops gathered together in an ecumenical council exercise the magisterium as teachers and judges of faith and morals who declare for the universal Church that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held definitively;

or when dispersed throughout the world but preserving the bond of communion among themselves and [B][U]with the successor of Peter and teaching authentically together with the Roman Pontiff matters of faith or morals,

they agree that a particular proposition is to be held definitively.[/U][/B][U]§3.

No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident.

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Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church,

and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium;

therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.

[/SIZE][/B][COLOR="Blue"]§2.

Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church [U][B]concerning the doctrine of faith and morals,[/B][/U]

that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, [U][B]is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained;[/B][/U]

therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

[/COLOR][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]

Can. 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares[U] concerning faith or morals[/U] when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act;

therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it.[/COLOR][/B]

Can. 753

Although the bishops who are in communion with the head and members of the college, whether individually or joined together in conferences of bishops or in particular councils,

do not possess infallibility in teaching,

they are authentic teachers and instructors of the faith for the Christian faithful entrusted to their care; [U][B]

the Christian faithful are bound to adhere with religious submission of mind to the authentic magisterium of their bishops.[/B][/U][COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"]

Can. 754 All the Christian faithful are obliged to observe the constitutions and decrees which the legitimate authority of the Church issues in order to propose doctrine and to proscribe erroneous opinions,

particularly those which the Roman Pontiff or the college of bishops puts forth.[/[/SIZE]COLOR]

Does this clarify for you the debate at hand? (ya sure buddy) as clear as mud

God willing, it should. Love and prayers,Pat